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N Sengupta	The Best Heavy Tank in the World Today!	Lead	[-]
Posts: 11670 (07/20/01 14:04:53) PRESIDENT Commander in Chief Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Hi guys,<br> Forget modifications to the e-file. Forget the supercool hypothetical Stealth Tank that we all love to get in People's General. What I want to know is what do you think is the best tank class in the world today? Feel free to defend your point, and also throw in parenthetical remarks about things such as whether or not you think that today's tanks are better than their WWII counterparts, etc. You can make your recommendation based on a number of factors: detection ability, bang for the buck, mobility, firepower, armor, prestige, secondary characteristics, etc.<br> Narayan Le Clerc changed to Challenger on 7/21/01. Thanks Andrew!
Spunkmeyer	Re: The Best Heavy Tank in the World Today!	#1	[-]
Posts: 2128 (07/21/01 05:59:02) GENERAL Chief of Strategic Plans Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	And just what happened to the Challenger Narayan(The first Guy to say it got turned over gets a APFSDS round between the eyes,I dunno they must have been fooling around or something)
treeburst	Yup	#2	[-]
Posts: 303 (07/23/01 04:47:14) Recruit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Heard bout that too. Maybe the tank commander was French on an exchange program or something... Forgive me.
N Sengupta	Re: Yup	#3	[-]
Posts: 11670 (07/23/01 05:22:44) PRESIDENT Commander in Chief Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's there now Fellas, The French tank commander has turned the keys off to his British counterpart. Cheers, Narayan
N Sengupta	Re: Yup	#4	[-]
Posts: 11670 (10/07/01 12:06:07) PRESIDENT Commander in Chief Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Kaptain Drago, Yes, by all means, please send them to me. I am actually modifying the equipment file today. I am also adding in ships. Can you make any naval icons, such as a Ticonderoga class cruiser, or any modern submarine or modern aircraft carrier? Thank you, Narayan 5 Star Portfolio as of August 21, 2001: PEOPLE's Gen.:PEOPLE's GENERAL WEBSITE for campaigns, scenarios, and other utilities. PG III SE :PG III Website for advice and funny stuff. PG II :PGII WEBSITE with the PGII Campaign Patch, the PGII Campaign Flow Chart, High Score Reset, Play Tips, etc. PACGEN :5 STAR GENERAL Site with the first Soviet campaign, the first custom US campaign, Design Tips, etc. Misc. :Air Unit Names and Ship Names, etc., Visit the People's General Forum . Contact Me: newfrontiers@mindspring.com.
Joost	Israeli armament	#5	[-]
Posts: 154 (11/05/01 15:18:12) Private First Class Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Kapitan: Im working in a mideast conflict, and im interested in the Kfir plane and the Merkava tank, could you do this weapons? I really preciate this.
Bruce D Walker	MBT	#6	[-]
Posts: 50 (01/11/02 17:31:08) Recruit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello everyone. You left out the Chiorny Oriel or Black Eagle.The newest Russian main battle tank.A mobility test-bed of a 21st centuary tank and is a result of radical upgrading of the T-80U MBT.The selection of the T-80U as a base for development of the 5th generation MBT derives from the fact that it is rightfully considered as the best MBT in the world which suc-cessfully combines all the basic performance characteristic:speed,maneuverability,fire power and protection systems.The Chiorney Oriel has the same overall dimensions as the T-80U does,nevertheless it has a lower silhouette which makes it less distinctive on the terrain.The experts believe that in terms of combination of the basic characteristices I mentioned above and its armour piercing capability and protection,this MBT will surpass the Western MBTs such as the M1A2 Abrams,Leclerk,Leopard2,and the Challenger II by a factor of 1.5-1.7. This tank is operational now in testing and will only be surpassed when the new U.S.A. Stealth tank becomes a reality in about 5 years or more. Best Regards,Bruce.
N Sengupta	Black Eagle	#7	[-]
Posts: 11670 (01/12/02 10:05:39) PRESIDENT Commander in Chief Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	HI Bruce, Good point! When I first put this poll up, I wasn't even aware of the Black Eagle, and have only become aware of it in the past few months. It looks like it will be a very impressive tank. Just to play Devil's Advocate, why do you think that it will be better by a factor of 1.5 - 1.7 vs. the latest Western MBTs? Soviet/Russian tanks are typically lower in cost and easier to produce, etc., but Western ones usually had a higher rate of fire, better fire-control, better computers, etc. So while the Russian hardware may be much less expensive to produce, etc., I think that force-multipliers favor the U.S., German, British and possibly even the French tanks. BTW, I did include the Black Eagle in v.1.9 of the Equipment File. Cheers, Narayan [ The 5 Star General ] [ People's General ][ PG III ][ PGII ][ Pacific General ] [ Allied General ] [ New Frontiers International, Ltd. ] [ Narayan's Site ] [ People's General Forum ] [ NewFrontiers@Mindspring.com ]
Bruce D Walker	MBT	#8	[-]
Posts: 50 (01/12/02 13:16:26) Recruit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello Narayan.Well my understanding is that the fire control is faster, as accurate in any terrain night or day and is better armoured with a much lower profile.Also the Russians have had a significant break thru in computer technololgies.The horse power ratio per ton is higher than any tank also.Now you must understand that my opinon and the experts opinons are at this stage more speculation than fact because the soviets are guarding this tank closly.They have refused to comment on anything concerning this tank.When it was first revealed it was demonstrated from 500 meters away and all its systems concealed from prying eyes.The tank was simply doing things in the field at a higer rate than westen tanks and this combined with there new stealth paint and lower profile is assumed by the experts to be superiour.I cannot find any other information concerning this tank.Even the pictures of the tank are darkened.We can only wait and see.
N Sengupta	Re: MBT	#9	[-]
Posts: 11670 (01/12/02 13:25:05) PRESIDENT Commander in Chief Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Bruce, What kinds of things at a higher rate? Firing and moving? Narayan [ The 5 Star General ] [ People's General ][ PG III ][ PGII ][ Pacific General ] [ Allied General ] [ New Frontiers International, Ltd. ] [ Narayan's Site ] [ People's General Forum ] [ NewFrontiers@Mindspring.com ]
Bruce D Walker	MBT	#10	[-]
Posts: 50 (01/13/02 09:07:21) Recruit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello Narayan.Higer rate of fire,increased mobility,ability to hit targets in any weather day or night because of the enhanced computer onboard.Turret response was faster in a 360 degree turn.It surpassed any known tank in the field for its ability to hide from other systems.Also it seems the Russians have new ERA armour bricks that are better then the old ERA on the T-80 and T-90 series and now are placed to help prevent penetration from above. Best Regards,Bruce.
Balthagor	Russian T-95... Anyone have info?	#11	[-]
Posts: 3 (02/08/02 13:57:01) Recruit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am a game Designer working on Supreme Ruler 2010 and in my research have come across this thread. I was hoping for an opinion... I have come across the Black Eagle and also seen references to an even more secretive "T-95 MBT" that is supposedly in development in Russia. It seems to be a new design favoring crew survivability. The first question is, does anyone have information on it? It seems to be in the same caliber as the Black Eagle and might be worth a vote or two. Second, our game takes place in 2010. If we are including the T-80U, T90S and Black Eagle, what are the chances that people will still be looking for a T-95? Chris Latour Game Designer Battlegoat Studios www.sr2010.com
zen008	My 2cents on new Russian tanks	#12	[-]
Posts: 16 (03/29/02 13:50:36) Recruit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Looking at all the rumors on the web on how everyone thinks the new Russian tanks are gonna be better then Americans down the road. I have seen a similar thread before on a Chinese web site. I just want to give my opinion on this. The one advantage the abrams has over the T80 and T90's are it's fire control system. It's pretty accurate and very robust. Considering that US has probably the best electronics industry in the world, and main part of the fire control system are run on some kind of processors. I can't see the Russian ever catch up to the US in fire control systems. Also is Russian going to use some kind of smart round like the one US is testing right now. With these kind of technology advantage, it seems the US tank will always have a better chance hitting then a Russian Tank. On the side note, Does any out there know is there any new armor design that can stop a depleted uranium round? thanks
Mark Kirby	Re: My 2cents on new Russian tanks	#13	[-]
Posts: 9155 (03/29/02 23:55:07) GENERAL Chief of Intelligence Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I recall hearing something about a plasma based armor a while ago designed to stop shaped charges. Essentially it will have a strong magentic field that will disperse the shaped charge and prevent it from punching through the armor. However, this won't do spit against a penetrator round like DU. Mark
Hawkeye	Abrams	#14	[-]
Posts: 1245 (04/04/02 15:40:26) Second Lieutenant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Currently, not only because of its weapons systems, but also because of the crews' training, I will have to go with the US Abrams Tank. . . BTW Narayan: Would it be possible add to PeG's E-File several of the LAV III variants that the US is planning to use as a rapid deploymnet force? It might be kinda fun to game to see how well they do. . . I could provide you with the info you need. Thanks Hawkeye Strategy Lover
Hawkeye	Re: Abrams	#15	[-]
Posts: 1245 (04/05/02 16:52:12) Second Lieutenant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Great. I'll gather the info over the next couple of days and post it for you Hawkeye Strategy Lover
N Sengupta	Re: Abrams	#16	[-]
Posts: 11670 (04/06/02 12:02:11) PRESIDENT Commander in Chief Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks Hawkeye, BTW, I like the changing picture! Narayan [ Political Forum ][ New Frontiers International, Ltd. ] [ Narayan's Site ] [ NewFrontiers@Mindspring.com ] [ The 5 Star General for Panzer General I, II, III, People's General, Allied General and Pacific General ]
netdizzy	m1Abraims	#17	[-]
Posts: 74 (05/21/02 10:37:13) Recruit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I don't know crap about the Russians new tank except that I don't think they have the funds to make many of them. My money is on the USA M1 Abraims. As for the new age USA military including the stealth I don't think it's coming as long as Donald Rumsfield is in charge. He is going to axe the 11billion crusader project(air apparent to the Paladin artillery) Donald Rumsfeld is on a mission to futurize the American army into a fast mechanized force that is capable of mobilizing to fight specific battles quickly with new age weapons (I don't if this is a good idea or not but i'm not the army cheif of staff either). here is an excerpt and a link with lots of good reading for anyone thats interested in what the usa's military is going to be in the next ten years. link:www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...11,00.html
ESC	Re: M1Abrams	#18	[-]
Posts: 5821 (05/22/02 01:31:11) GENERAL der Flieger Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As for the tanks, I wonder how Western tanks have a higher rate of fire with the manual loader than Russian ones with an autoloader? The only Western tank with this feature as far as i am aware is the Leclerc, not in the poll at all. As for advanced ammo, Russians have fielded guided tank munitions since the early 70s if I am not mistaken, but definitely for over 20 years. Additionally you have defensive suites unmatched in the West at the moment, with a mm radar scanning for incoming projectiles and then rocket propelled interceptors fired into the path of the incoming threat. And Russian tanks definitely have a lower profile. While this has disadvantages of its own (limited gun depression possible (the more, the lower the profile can be when dug in)) it is a survivability feature. And when it comes to maintainability Russian equipment is hard to beat. What Russian tanks lack, is a good FCS but they've been catching up very fast there. While the latest ones are still not quite of American standards, the combinations of Russian armour and French FCS has been pretty successful. Additionally the crew comfort is very low, the environment noisy, cramped... all of which reduces crew effectiveness over longer periods of time. And in any case I'd give my vote to the Merkava, especially if you take the crew training into account. If Israeli tankers are as good as their pilots and I have no reason to believe they aren't, since they have fired shells in anger every single day since 1948, the kill ratio against US crews would be very one sided. There was an article in Air International (I believe, could have been AFM as well) about some joint combat exercises, where the kill ratios between US and Israeli pilots were around 40 to 1 (in favour of the Israelis), more normally still at 22 to 1. Which just adds support to the theory that the tanker is more important than the tank.
zen008	Re: M1Abrams	#19	[-]
Posts: 16 (05/24/02 12:59:24) Recruit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	ESC, Can you define what you meant by guided munition? The one I mentioned earlier has a small computer unit that help to guide the round to the target by controlling fins attached at the end of the shell. The technology was never there in the 70's to put something that small inside a shell. Let along, USSR's computer industry was probably still in it's infancy. Only with todays' sub micron manufacturing process, is it possible to produce small and low power chips to fit inside that kind of constraint.
ESC	Re: M1Abrams	#20	[-]
Posts: 5821 (05/25/02 06:25:48) GENERAL der Flieger Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What I meant by guided munition was a controlled missile fired from the tank gun, with a range of 4 to 5 km, fins were deployed as soon as it left the barrell. I'd really need to check for the exact designations for each one of the guns / calibers, but it has been there for ages. Check Tula Design Bureau on the net, I'm sure you can get plenty of info about it (hopefully not all in Russian).

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